Several Things About The Las Vegas Shooting Which Don’t Add Up

Free Republic had a report from someone who lived in the area. One of their friends knew this character in passing, and said he was a textbook degenerate gambler who was always drunk – and he was a leftie. Not surprising given the girlfriend’s type.

Just a couple of observations:

Reports that he only shot about 200 rounds seem odd. Almost 60 kills rapid fire, with only 200 rounds would be impressive shooting for a civilian with a semi-automatic, at 400 yards, in the dark, at moving shadows, and almost straight down, even if the targets were tightly packed. But spraying a sustained machinegun burst at a field 400 yards away, at a steep angle, seems a poor way to score kills if all you have are 200 rounds. Even three-shot-burst would be piss poor, as it would only give you 66 trigger pulls. I’d think it more likely that either there must have been more rounds fired, or the rounds were +P lighter-weight hollowpoints, to the point of almost exploding more than expanding, and passing through multiple people laying on top of each other on the ground.

Also strange is Police took 72 minutes to get into the room because he kept spraying bullets through the walls as officers approached. Given he had brought 20 some-odd guns with him, and bringing cases of ammo and clips as well should not have been a problem, only firing 200 rounds in that time frame seems improbable.

If there are only 200 shell casings in his room, that would seem odd, especially since many of those would probably have been fired at responding officers. Not impossible, but odd. My guess is there were more rounds fired. Hopefully we were just misinformed, and the rest of the shell casings didn’t drive away in white box trucks.

Hopefully he was the only shooter, and we don’t have another one of these happen in a few days.

Then there is the Hispanic woman:

One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were “all going to die” after pushing her way to the front of the venue.

The witness, 21, told local news: “She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die.

“They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious.”

She described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man.

The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like “everyday people”.

Who was she? Who was she warning in that crowd? Why? How did she know what was going to happen? Did Marilou’s Philippino relatives look Hispanic? Was she an accomplice? Why aren’t police circulating surveillance camera footage from the hotel to find her. Seems she was ruled out as an issue awful fast.

Then there are the run-ins with Police:

Paddock was not known to the federal authorities, but was known to local law enforcement, according to NBC News.

That are no longer part of the narrative for some reason:

Authorities said a sweep of law enforcement databases showed Paddock had no known run-ins with Police…

It would seem that it would take something big for a multi-millionaire real estate investor to cross paths with Police in a way that the cops would make note of him. And it would seem that the something big might reveal something about why this happened. Was he associating with Islamic radicals? Black Lives Matters? Mafia loan sharks? Cartels? Did he just do something minor like vandalize a Police car while drunk but evade getting arrested due to lack of evidence, and cops periodically kept an eye on him, but didn’t bust him? Was he a letter writer? An anti-cop history might point to a motive given the NFL furor.

Then there is the shooter not leaving any sort of motive. One report says he had a camera in the room:

One official said Paddock had a camera mounted in the room…

If there is a camera there, and no video in it explaining to all his enemies how he is about to win, then that is atypical. Narcissists love to be the center of attention, and filming himself would give him that high in a way few other methods would. He would be sitting, picturing everyone looking at him, listening to him, hanging on his every word. There is no way a narcissist doesn’t make a “Here is how completely I won, and what you should have done for me, to prevent me from having to kill you all” video.

A character like this is doing this type of shooting for a specific reason. He wants to get back at somebody. Narcissists are notorious grievance accumulators. The grievances may be ridiculous – like he wasn’t asked for his opinions on subjects, and thus felt slighted, or some stupid thing. But he has a grievance. The shooting is to let everyone know they didn’t win – he did. That is also why they self terminate. a Police officer killing them is seen in their mind as a loss. Self-terminating is the final act of taking control and winning in the narcissist mind. They won, and you can’t do anything to them.

In a real case of narcissist poisoning I know of, the victim was sick, but assumed they had an illness. The narcissist actually sat down and told the victim he had discussed the case with a doctor he knew, and the doctor said the victim wouldn’t know now what was going on, but they would eventually figure out why they were sick one day, and it would all make sense. It was dismissed at the time as strange, but afterward, when it was realized it was the narcissist doing it, the victim realized the narcissist was dying inside because he was “taking revenge” but the victim didn’t know it, so the victim wasn’t frustrated and angry. In the narcissist’s mind, he was planting a seed that would anger the victim any time they thought of it, once they figured out what was going on, and realized the narcissist had done it.

Narcissists need to see you in agony, and feeling helpless to stop them. It is a power trip. Just making you miserable isn’t enough.

If this guy killed all these people, he would want everyone to know he did this, to know why he did this, and to realize he had taken all the power and won, and now we are all powerless. If there is a camera, there is a video. If we don’t see it, it has been hidden for some reason. I assume this guy had known anti-establishment/anti-republican tendencies, and it will eventually come out he didn’t like Trump. Maybe he is an anti-cop leftie.

But it will be frustrating if this becomes yet another mass-casualty incident with loose ends which we never hear about being tied up.

One thing I do hope comes from this is the bomb on a drone, which can be flown by patrol officers overseeing such an event right to the shooter and detonated immediately. For an officer on the ground, looking at a computer screen as he flew right into that window and detonated would have been a great experience, and brought this to a stop immediately. In an age of mass casualty incidents, officers need an in-extremis method of taking out a subject fast that doesn’t require 18 months of intensive sniper training, or bulletproof bodies.

It is an idea whose time has come.

Tell others about r/K Theory, because BOOM!

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Robert What?
6 years ago

We know two things for certain: there are no conceivable connections to the Alt-Right and he was not a Trump supporter by any degree of separation. Because if either was the case it would have been blasted all over the news by now.

Jake Saga (@sagajake)
6 years ago

Oh, there is a lot more that doesn’t make sense here. I am not an expert, but I heard the audio of the shooting, or part of it. I distinctly hear two different weapons firing: one with a lower-pitched, thump-thump sound, one with a higher pitch. The two weapons seem to be firing separately, at different frequencies, and not all at the same time.,

Then there is the fact that shooting was reported coming from separate floors, and witnesses claim more than one shooter.
Then there is … a hell of a lot more.
I don’t buy this one, AC. It stinks. I call a non-significant chance that this was a patsy they dumped on the floor, and it was a black op.

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6 years ago

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just watching.
just watching.
6 years ago

My bet is that at best perp was not a multi-millionaire, and that perp’s brother in good faith just relayed what he was told to the press.

At best with a portfolio of illiquid multi-millions in assets but with near equivalent debt to offset it.

just feels that way. and learn some basic tourniquet skills folks. you never know when it may be useful—camping, road accident, shooting.

you want to give yourself every chance at avoid being triaged as beyond help in a mass injury situation.

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6 years ago

“Narcissists need to see you in agony, and feeling helpless to stop them. It is a power trip. Just making you miserable isn’t enough.”

True.

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Reply to  04432133232423432
6 years ago

Too bad for them that when SHTF they will get promptly terminated 🙂

TipTipTopKek
6 years ago

400m range from 100m elevation (32 floors) is not a steep angle; it’s only about 15 degrees. Elevation is not a problem, nor is range. Zero a 5.56 round for 100m and the drop is less than 1m at 400m, which, when shooting into a packed crowd where every round that (at least initially) gets into that 1 acre space hits a human, is negligible. One can also zero that round for 400m and take into account the low angle when doing so, and can do so easily, even at a short shooting range, using ballistic tables, and the man did have scopes on his rifles. Further, 5.56 at 400m is still traveling at 1900 fps and has about 1/3 of its original energy so it’s still lethal AF and could penetrate one person to injure the one behind them. “+P” is a term used for handgun ammo, usually 9mm, sometimes 38 special. It doesn’t apply to the weapons used for the shooting. “Passing through multiple people” is precisely opposite the objective which hollowpoint rounds are designed for. Regardless, 5.56 at that range is likely to pass through a human body if it hits perpendicular to a front torso.

As for 200 rounds, maybe in the first minute LOL.But you can be sure that those first 200 rounds each hit a human, maybe only injuring, maybe the same human several times, etc., but given the dynamics, there were no misses (or very few) in the first two long strings of bursts, each of which could have been 100 rounds with coffin mags and bump stocks. Ejected brass could easily have been thrown out the window by the action of the weapon if he were standing near it when shooting. Regardless, he easily used 1,000 rounds, possibly 2,000.

To a trained eye, flips look different than spics. But to an untrained teenage girl? Any mystery meat that isn’t obviously negroid might be a spic. Did the woman have a Spanish accent? Flips usually have Spanish names and often speak Spanish as a native language b/c the Philippines were Spanish for hundreds of years. Or did she have some other accent that the untrained teenage girl couldn’t identify properly and simply assumed was spic? Like you, I have my doubts that the woman in question was spic. It’s possible that this was just a crazy person, but it’s also possible that he bragged to close friends about the event, and the mystery woman and friend were either spic antifa acquaintances or flip mohammedan friends. About 10% of flips are moslem, the southern islands have areas which are wholly mohammedan, and are home to a separatist movement MILF (moro islamic liberation front) which cooperates with ISIS, and reports are that his gf has two sons with mohammedan names.

Pitcrew
Pitcrew
Reply to  TipTipTopKek
6 years ago

The casings in his room looked like 5.56/223 if that helps. It would jive with the reports of the bumpfire. Still bumpfires don’t usually cycle as fast as what was heard in all the videos, unless sound reflecting off the buildings was playing some funny trick and making the cycling action sound faster than it really was. Here is an example of a bumpfire and large drum ammo dump.
(around the 2:40 mark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7DTjSla-O8

Mr Darcy
Mr Darcy
Reply to  Pitcrew
6 years ago

Good, sensible post. Thanks! Most people are just jabbering about stuff and not making any sense. Hell, some “official” or other in Vegas actually said in a press conference that this shooting was “Americas finest hour.” Direct quote. Anyway, thanks for saying something sensible and germane. (and the word is “jibe” not “jive.”)

Pitcrew
Pitcrew
6 years ago

If the guy had strong anti-republican feelings the Trump administration was probably just too much for him. If he found out there was a country music festival so close to his regular casino that could of set him off. The 91 Harvest music festival is held for three days and Sunday was the last night. Also he was prescribed Valium/Diazepam medication in June for anxiety. I would bet that the conservative direction of the nation was driving him nuts.

Still alot doesn’t add up. MSM was making it sound as if Marilou was the one warning the crowd. She was originially “Indonesian”. Then she was filipina and in the Philippines. How did MSM know this by Monday morning? With the 2 hispanics, Marilou and Paddock – that’s possibly four people with knowledge of this. Then of course the reports of multiple gunmen. Either conspiracy or people possibly did see all the firepower Paddock was bringing into the Mandalay.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/hotel-guest-in-the-next-room-saw-multiple-gunmen-during-shooting_10042017

Hank Rearden
Hank Rearden
6 years ago

Also, psychiatric drugs.

Las Vegas Strip shooter prescribed anti-anxiety drug in June
reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

History of psychiatric drugs and mass shootings:
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ssriviolence.php

Sam J.
Sam J.
Reply to  Hank Rearden
6 years ago

“…anti-anxiety drug…”

You may have found the answer there. Some people react really bad to these type drugs and become murderous.

I still can’t think of ANY reason he would have so many guns. The guy had some smarts. Why would he have so many guns in the room?

As for more than one shooter I listened to a few of these videos and they all sound like echos to me. It does sound like a full auto and not a bump fire which is difficult to get consistent full auto fire from. If he had a full auto…where did he get it? He could have gotten it legally but if so why aren’t they advertising that as it would be right down the gun grabbers list.

glaivester
glaivester
6 years ago

Reports that he only shot about 200 rounds seem odd. Almost 60 kills rapid fire, with only 200 rounds would be impressive shooting for a civilian with a semi-automatic

Including the wounded, casualties were 586 according to the most recent Wikipedia edit. That would mean that each round injured, on average, 3 people. Definitely more than 200 rounds had to have been fired.