Guns of the Apocalypse – FBI Goes to 9mm

FBI is moving back to 9mm:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is issuing an unrestricted solicitation for various 9mm luger pistols and all associated replacement parts with the intent of making single award of a fixed price indefinite-delivery indefinite-quantity (IDIQ) contract. In accordance with FAR 2.101, Multi-Agency Contracts, this solicitation includes a provision authorizing other law enforcement agencies to utilize the contract on a case-by-case basis with prior approval. The anticipated period of performance consists of one (1) base year and nine (9) possible additional one-year options.

They claim it is due mostly to the wear of 40’s on their platforms, but I’ll bet part of the equation is that they see apocalypse on the horizon. They are afraid they won’t be able to find enough .40 S&W. Normally that wouldn’t be a problem as government contracts have a clause forcing ammo companies to guarantee them first run on ammo production to get the contract. If ammo is being produced and can be shipped, it should go to government before everyone else.

That they are moving back to 9mm may mean they think either the ammo companies will no longer be compliant with their contracts (maybe because they will be behind enemy lines), or shipment capability may be problematic due to highway piracy and chaos, meaning they will need to scrounge for whatever they can get, wherever they can get it – namely from the surplus market.

There may be a lesson in there. .338 Lapua Mags and 5.7mm FN’s will not be superior to a Norinco SKS and a Browning Hi-Power, if the only ammo you can get is 7.62×39, and 9mm. Even mags, replacement parts, and accessories could become scarce. Nothing will be the same as it is now. Adjust accordingly.

Apocalypse cometh™

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8 years ago

[…] By Anonymous Conservative […]

Phelps
Phelps
8 years ago

Two other advantages — you can carry more rounds per pound with 9mm, and it wears the weapon much slower. a good 9mm will last practically forever. A .40 S&W is ruined after 10K rounds.

JimP
JimP
8 years ago

My impression when hearing this earlier in the year was that female agents were having trouble with the recoil of a 40 cal. It was originally a 10mm round that the agents were having problems with years ago, and the length was snipped in favor of the more gentle 40.

By the way enjoy your site immensely. Haven’t read as much about Trump – have your thoughts changed on him/campaign or full steam ahead?

JimP
JimP
Reply to  Anonymous Conservative
8 years ago

Well I do very much appreciate hearing your ideas on r/K and the signs of unrest that help to validate them.

I always thought that the only (or most important) catalyst for change would be privation in the end, and it looks like it’s sort of happening in places like Europe before any full blown economic problems have emerged.

Cruz looks really good, and I like Carson just pissing everyone off with common sense too. The more these guys bust down these supposed “no go” zones the more it will encourage other potentials leaders to stop kowtowing.

ForwardObserver
ForwardObserver
8 years ago

Also … the New World Order advocates in our government need “global standard” ammunition as they clearly expect to use foreign troops on US soil for “peace-keeping purposes”.

David C.
8 years ago

Dr. Gary Roberts offers considerable expertise on these questions.
http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=3563#more-3563

Bottom line: 40 S&W beats up guns (and shooters) for an insignificant increase in wounding capability. Also, Dr. Martin Fackler pretty much shot the hell out of AK/AR basic ammunition (FMJ rounds) a long, long time ago. If you want to actually obtain the full wounding capability of any of these weapons you have no choice but to obtain and field with premium ammunition (e.g., the 77gr OTM load or better, the Federal 62 gr bonded load for the 5.56×45.)

Yes, people can stock up to the gills with 55gr FMJ (M193) for their AR/Mini-14 or with 123gr FMJ from Wolf for their AK/SKS, but in reality these often simply poke pretty straight holes in antagonists.
http://dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
8 years ago

I don’t think the FBI is thinking that far ahead to be honest. More likely, the FBI is noticing that a .357 level round (.40 is roughly the same in hitting power as a 158 grain .357 magnum) is hard for most people to control in a pound and a half handgun like the Glock . Its also hard on the weapon and has excess report and flash for the meager advantages it has.

Heck back in the revolver days, the standard issue gun was a full 2 pounds unloaded and normally used with a mild load (.38 special 158 grains at around 850)

That said if you are prepping for TEOTWAWKI 9mm and 5.56 are the best choices along probably with .308 as they are common and effective.

crow
crow
8 years ago

It’s true that female agents are having a hard time with the recoil, but from what I’ve read, the Agency as a whole is experiencing marksmanship issues.

mobiuswolf
8 years ago

I haven’t bothered to switch to the ‘popular’ rounds or the weapons that fire them. I’m happy with my .45s and .30s. There will be plenty of the popular ones for the picking up in the event.

I recommend reloading and casting for preps.